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A World of Girls: The Story of a School by L. T. Meade (1886). A classic early girls' school story—and it's kind of fascinating how much it did indeed feel like an intermediate stage between The Governess; Or, The Little Female Academy and e.g. Malory Towers. On the one hand it's very much an Edifying and Morally Improving Tale for Girls (and in a particularly Victorian way; it's really sentimental); on the other hand it has a clear narrative plot, the shape of which has developed into the familiar form of later school stories, and many of the classic girls' school trappings are there. The setting itself is similarly intermediate, which I suppose is an interesting window onto the development of girls' education generally. The story follows serious, proud new girl Hester and her rivalry with Annie, the mischievous but good-hearted darling of the school; a bad first impression gets worse when some person unknown starts playing mean-spirited pranks on various girls and Hester of course suspects Annie. The climax of the plot was too sentimental even for my love of the Victorians, and also racist (seriously, Meade has some cheek playing straight into stereotypes about dirty, wicked thieves and then having her main characters steal their dog with no compunction), but there was a lot of good stuff along the way, albeit extremely Victorian.

The Romance of the Forest by Ann Radcliffe (1791). This is one of the classic dramatic and exciting Gothic novels, and reading it really did make me feel like Catherine Morland. There's a wild forest; a spooky, sinister ruined abbey with mysterious rumours about its past; a moustache-twirling villain; daring escapes; lots and lots of dramatic scenery; contrived coincidences; etc. etc. I got an annotated edition from the library which explained the late eighteenth-century background of things like the lengthy descriptions of the landscape and the close relationship between nature and the characters' feelings (opinions of mountains underwent some change between the 1740s and the 1790s, it's evident), and Radcliffe's use of contemporary aesthetic theory and literary references, which was very helpful—I really enjoyed the nature descriptions especially, and it was interesting to have that background for them. It was also very interesting to see the development of the techniques of Gothic horror (building tension through descriptions of the sinister 'gloomy' surroundings; relieving tension by having an apparently scary thing turn out to be something innocuous, only for even scarier things to start happening later on)—which is still great fun! But there are also things in here more recognisable from the earlier eighteenth-century stuff I've read, like miraculous reunions between long-lost relatives and random poems interspersed with the text. Altogether a thoroughly enjoyable book, the effect of which was only slightly marred by occasionally recognising specific bits which Jane Austen was parodying in Northanger Abbey.

The Pastor's Fire-side by Jane Porter (1817). My search after old Jacobite novels is turning up lots of stuff lately! I found out about Jane Porter and her sister Anna Maria Porter from this article recently linked by [personal profile] oursin; reading it again now, it's frustratingly vague about whether or not Walter Scott actually took the specific subject matter of Waverley from anything by the Porters, and in fact this novel, the only Jacobite-related one I could find from either of them after a short search, was published later, but I thought it'd be a good one to read anyway.

With that explained—The Pastor's Fire-side actually has a rather different focus from both Waverley and later Jacobite classics; it's set in the 1720s and opens on the Northumbrian island of Lindisfarne, where the pastor of the title, a mild and saintly man, is visited by his great-nephew Louis de Montemar—whose father, a Spanish diplomat, left him to be brought up in England after the death of his mother. Louis, an earnest and passionate young man, is being seduced by the Bad Moral Influence of Duke Wharton, who is a known dodgy character and... a supporter of the deposed Stuarts! (This book is not very sympathetic to the Jacobites). Louis breaks with Duke Wharton, but remains hopelessly in love with him. But then Louis's dad, the mysterious Spanish diplomat, suddenly decides that it's time for Louis to follow him into a political career on the continent and summons him to Vienna. There follows a long and complicated time of diplomacy, intrigue and scheming at the court of Vienna, during which we meet Empress Elisabeth and her daughter Maria Theresa and learn about that vexed question of the Austrian Succession which eventually led to the war in which Britain was briefly interrupted by the '45. Of course the Austrian Succession and that of the Stuarts are not unrelated, and of course it turns out that Louis's dad's scheming enemies in Vienna include none other than Duke Wharton. I got a bit lost in all the intrigues, but I very much enjoyed the relationship between Louis and Wharton: constantly confronted by Wharton's unscrupulous, dishonourable and Jacobitical behaviour, Louis nevertheless remains absolutely smitten by him, while Wharton goes on charming and beguiling Louis; Louis keeps trying to make friends again and then pining wistfully and regretfully after deciding that Wharton is just too evil to tolerate. It's a very different kind of slashy-enemies dynamic to Flight of the Heron or indeed any of my other Jacobite/Whig pairings, and excellent fun. But, while Wharton may be a villain, Louis's dad isn't exactly an ideal hero either. After the Viennese scheming there follows a bizarre section in which, after being defeated by his enemies at the Spanish court, he defects to the Moors, becomes a Muslim and declares war on Spain, and Louis is forced to fight against him. Eventually everything is resolved in a suitably sentimental and improbable fashion.

It's a long and very ambitious book, especially for something written when historical novels were barely a thing yet, and although I did get slightly lost in the detail I admired and enjoyed the scope of it, as well as the slashiness. I also liked the Northumbrian scenery—Lindisfarne and that section of coast really are a lovely part of the world—and was slightly sad we didn't see more of it, although Porter's eventual conclusion is that it's far better to stay peacefully at home there and not do any scheming or politics at all. And the ending is very annoying, but never mind. Definitely worth reading; I'll have to check out more by Porter and her sister, and in the meantime I have a new Jacobite OTP to add to the list...

Date: Dec. 11th, 2022 06:08 pm (UTC)
theseatheseatheopensea: A person reading, with a cat on their lap. (Reader and cat.)
From: [personal profile] theseatheseatheopensea
it's far better to stay peacefully at home there and not do any scheming or politics at all.

XD It sounds like good fun, and a new OTP is always a good thing!

Date: Dec. 11th, 2022 06:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
Ever since I read Northanger Abbey, I've been meaning to try some of Ann Radcliffe's novels. Perhaps 2023 will be the year? I have been thinking it would be a good year to tackle some LONG books (Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell is also on the list)...

Date: Dec. 11th, 2022 09:43 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Morell: quizzical)
From: [personal profile] sovay
After the Viennese scheming there follows a bizarre section in which, after being defeated by his enemies at the Spanish court, he defects to the Moors, becomes a Muslim and declares war on Spain, and Louis is forced to fight against him.

That escalated quickly.

[edit] I am actually, selfishly entertained by this setting, because while I suspect that none figure in the book, Vienna in the 1720's would have had distant relatives of mine running around the political intrigue, especially since the Taaffes at that time were at least partly Jacobites.
Edited Date: Dec. 11th, 2022 09:50 pm (UTC)

Date: Dec. 12th, 2022 04:55 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
It's very cool, firstly that you know who your ancestors from as far back as the 1720s were, and secondly that they were Jacobites! I'll definitely imagine them in the background of Louis and Duke Wharton's adventures

Hee. Thank you!

Date: Dec. 14th, 2022 06:21 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Oh, cool! Any particular Jacobite Taaffe in the first half of the 18th century that you recommend reading about? : )

Date: Dec. 15th, 2022 01:07 am (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Any particular Jacobite Taaffe in the first half of the 18th century that you recommend reading about?

Nicholas Taaffe is the one I was thinking could have been plausibly in the background of this novel, although I have never delved into the Jacobite connections. (I find it hard to believe that any region of Central Europe had not discovered the potato by 1763, but nonetheless that has always been my favorite fact from his Wikipedia article.) The previous Nicholas is the one who was killed fighting on the Jacobite side of the Battle of the Boyne and his estates attainted and forfeit, which is fascinating and I have no further information about him without doing further research. I know a lot more about the later generations in Austria because when I was younger we believed my father's family was descended from them because his father had styled himself as such. Actually my father's family were nineteenth-century Irish immigrants, their branch not having hared off to the Habsburg court; his father was born in San Francisco before 1906 and when your birth certificate is lost in an earthquake and fire you can tell people any damn thing you please about yourself. But it's still an extremely traceable name and I am unfairly amused by the history of the Irish and Austrian titles, i.e. the former were revoked by Parliament for fighting on the wrong side of WWI from the British Empire and the second ceased to exist following the abolition of the monarchy and nobility in Austria after WWI. I am not in line to petition for the revival of either and remain entertained.

Date: Dec. 16th, 2022 05:48 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Cool! Yes, 1763 does seem late to introduce the potato anywhere; I know it was first introduced in the Scottish Highlands in 1743, and in Sweden in 1723. But of course, it must have taken some time to become popular.

Hee, I suppose if they wanted to keep their titles, they bet on the wrong country...I wonder if Britain is ever going to abolish the aristocracy. Sweden hasn't, as such, though they have very much less power than in Britain.

Coincidentally, I heard your name spoken on a podcast today, and thus heard how it is pronounced (well, assuming it was done correctly). It was a piece of poetry you had translated, which was quoted before a short story by Jeannelle M. Ferreira on the Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast.

Date: Dec. 17th, 2022 12:12 am (UTC)
sovay: (Lord Peter Wimsey: passion)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Yes, 1763 does seem late to introduce the potato anywhere; I know it was first introduced in the Scottish Highlands in 1743, and in Sweden in 1723.

Perhaps he was just very gung-ho about the already introduced potato.

Hee, I suppose if they wanted to keep their titles, they bet on the wrong country...

There's probably something interesting in this story about effects and perceptions of national identity, since the Taaffes in Austria seem to have been regarded as/identified as Irish despite a century-plus of naturalization and furnishing one quite famous prime minister to the court of Franz Joseph I, but also I truly find it funny.

I wonder if Britain is ever going to abolish the aristocracy. Sweden hasn't, as such, though they have very much less power than in Britain.

How does it work, if you don't mind my asking?

It was a piece of poetry you had translated, which was quoted before a short story by Jeannelle M. Ferreira on the Lesbian Historic Motif Podcast.

Oh, neat! I hope you enjoyed the story. Ferreira is [personal profile] selkie on DW and the mother of my godchild (and has just published a new collection, as long as I'm acting as her publicist).

If the name was pronounced to rhyme with "safe," it was done correctly, at least according to my father's family in the U.S. We're not sure any other branch uses this pronunciation—in Ireland, it rhymed with "gaff," and I have been informed by friends from the relevant countries that it's different again in Wales and in Austria—but it enabled me to discover some years ago that we must be related to the silent actress Alice Terry, which was randomly neat. The other side of my family is much less traceable, so while I am not genealogical in any systematic way, I enjoy running across these things.
Edited Date: Dec. 17th, 2022 12:27 am (UTC)

Date: Jun. 1st, 2024 09:37 am (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Aww, and that's very cool about the potatoes—he and Ewen would have got along, with all this improvement of estates.

My apologies for failing to respond to this comment at the time, but I really like this image.

(Huh, and the same post-WWI act also got rid of the title Duke of Cumberland! I'd wondered what had happened to that.)

Yeah: the Titles Deprivation Act 1917 is like three princes and one Taaffe, which I also find historically funny.

Date: Dec. 17th, 2022 05:11 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
How does it work, if you don't mind my asking?
Oof. I'm not sure I can completely answer this. But Sweden was a quite hierarchical country up until the early 20th century. I have heard a historian say that the worker’s movement in Sweden managed to unite the working classes and the middle classes in a way which never really happened in Britain, and which defeated the influence of the old upper classes by the rise of a long period of social democratic government. Though we never did get rid of the monarchy--there was an almost-revolution in 1917, where the old regime granted universal male suffrage as a concession to avoid completely abolishing the monarchy and aristocracy. A very few aristocratic families are still allowed primogeniture to keep their estates intact (which are still small by British standards). I'm not sure how exactly the aristocratic families in general lost most of their estates and money; perhaps it was just by the rise of the bourgeoisie.

Ferreira is [personal profile] selkie on DW
Oh, I didn't know that! Sadly I couldn't concentrate enough on the story; I mostly listen to podcasts for easy listening while doing household chores etc, and when it comes to short stories that introduce new characters, I prefer to read rather than listen. But I've got the transcript open in a tab to check out later. I enjoyed The Covert Captain a lot back when I read it, though! : )

Yep, it rhymed with ‘safe’!

Date: Jun. 1st, 2024 09:39 am (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
I have heard a historian say that the worker’s movement in Sweden managed to unite the working classes and the middle classes in a way which never really happened in Britain, and which defeated the influence of the old upper classes by the rise of a long period of social democratic government.

I am extremely glad it worked for someone.

Yep, it rhymed with ‘safe’!

Yay!

(My apologies for not responding to this comment a year and a half ago: my health probably fell over.)

Date: Jun. 5th, 2024 11:22 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
No worries at all! Comment replies always welcome, and it's not like I managed to reply to this one immediately. : )

I am extremely glad it worked for someone.
Well, it worked for a while. Sadly, it's been going downhill again for a few decades...

Date: Jun. 1st, 2024 09:35 am (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Any particular Jacobite Taaffe in the first half of the 18th century that you recommend reading about?

I had to come back to this comment because my father just sent me this article about Francis Taaffe and Irish Jacobites in Lorraine around the turn of the eighteenth century. tl;dr his father was the Theobald Taaffe who had been best buddies with Charles II in exile, whence the Irish titles I never got anywhere near inheriting, and if Francis was politically William-loyal, personally he sure seems to have helped a lot of Irish Jacobite families find place and prestige in the duchy he administered for Leopold I following the Williamite War. So, probably that guy.

Date: Jun. 2nd, 2024 07:55 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Thank you, it is a nice surprise to get new cool Jacobite history info on this post

You're welcome! It seemed relevant to everyone's interests.

Date: Jun. 5th, 2024 11:32 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Interesting, thanks for the link! : )

I do remember a Taaffe appearing in the section about Charles II in exile in The King's Touch by Jude Morgan. That must have been Theobald Taaffe.

Date: Jun. 5th, 2024 03:17 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
I do remember a Taaffe appearing in the section about Charles II in exile in The King's Touch by Jude Morgan. That must have been Theobald Taaffe.

I have not read that! Theobald figures prominently in Elizabeth Goudge's The Child from the Sea (1970), since it's a historical novel about Lucy Walter, but in a sort of romantic-tragic vein, which does not especially match the letters written him by Charles II. (There's an archive at the Beinecke which I did manage to read while still at Yale.)

Date: Dec. 12th, 2022 02:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] genarti
Oooh, all three of these are fascinating! Thank you for writing them up! I love this kind of window onto not just a different time but also different genre/audience expectations.

Date: Dec. 12th, 2022 12:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] littlerhymes
A proto-boarding school story! That sounds so interesting, flaws and all.

Date: Dec. 14th, 2022 06:19 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Oh, very interesting about the Porter book! I'm glad to hear that it's slashy. My main question is: if Louis's dad is a Spanish diplomat in the 1720's, surely he would have approved of Jacobites?? I mean, Spain was even behind the abortive 1719 Jacobite attempt. Or was it that this particular Jacobite was bad and was corrupting his young son?

Date: Dec. 15th, 2022 04:26 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Huh, interesting! Yes, that does sound like a lot of complicated politics...

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